Direct (emphasize direct) to Boston (for Europe) and to Baltimore (for DC and also a Southwest hub) would be great. As it is now, I always go to Saranac Lake for a Cape Air direct to Boston Logan.. Albany is ok if going there or to NYC via connecting Amtrak train. A plane to Buffalo is worthless.

On Nov 21, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Erik Bollt ebollt@clarkson.edu wrote:

I would very likely use the service for myself and for visitor academics - as well as family.

I would greatly prefer Baltimore and Boston a close second since they are both more hub/international airports from which there are excellent connection flights throughout the country and also to Europe. This would greatly decrease the time from places around the country and around the world to Potsdam and with very little ground transportation time.

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On Nov 21, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Kelly Chezum <kchezum@clarkson.edu mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu> wrote:

Colleagues, We know many people travel in /out of Potsdam on different modes of transportation and when travelling by air, consider several different options. The Town of Massena is currently reviewing two proposals by airlines to provide air service from Massena International Airport to regional air service hubs. The current supplier has three daily roundtrips to Albany with connecting service to Boston on nine-passenger Cessna aircraft. The same carrier also offers flights to Albany with connections to Boston via the Ogdensburg Airport.
The Town of Massena is also considering a provider (may be an alternative provider) with nine-passenger planes that has offered to fly two direct routes, with the Town needing to choose two choices from among the list of Albany, Boston, Buffalo or Baltimore.
The Town Council will be holding a public meeting on Nov. 30 at 5:30 p.m. in Room 30 on the second floor of the Massena Town Hall, 60 Main St.. If you would like to submit comments to me about the likelihood you would use the Massena Airport with these destinations, including naming the two direct destinations you would most likely choose to use, I will be collecting wider feedback from Clarkson and sending a summary to the Town Supervisor. Your response to me by November 29 would be appreciated.
Please let me know if you have further questions or comments. Thanks. Kelly ​ Kelly O. Chezum, MBA ’04, DLP Vice President for External Relations | Clarkson University
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That would be great for most of us, but also poses problems for people with visa or other restrictions who can't travel across the border freely.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Moshe Marko mmarko@clarkson.edu wrote:

Maybe instead of Buffalo, a direct flight to Toronto???

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Charles Robinson crobins2@clarkson.edu wrote:

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Direct (emphasize direct) to Boston (for Europe) and to Baltimore (for DC and also a Southwest hub) would be great. As it is now, I always go to Saranac Lake for a Cape Air direct to Boston Logan.. Albany is ok if going there or to NYC via connecting Amtrak train. A plane to Buffalo is worthless.

On Nov 21, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Erik Bollt ebollt@clarkson.edu wrote:

I would very likely use the service for myself and for visitor academics

• as well as family.

I would greatly prefer Baltimore and Boston a close second since they are both more hub/international airports from which there are excellent connection flights throughout the country and also to Europe. This would greatly decrease the time from places around the country and around the world to Potsdam and with very little ground transportation time.

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On Nov 21, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Kelly Chezum kchezum@clarkson.edu wrote:

Colleagues,

We know many people travel in /out of Potsdam on different modes of transportation and when travelling by air, consider several different options.

The Town of Massena is currently reviewing two proposals by airlines to provide air service from Massena International Airport to regional air service hubs.

The current supplier has three daily roundtrips to Albany with connecting service to Boston on nine-passenger Cessna aircraft. The same carrier also offers flights to Albany with connections to Boston via the Ogdensburg Airport.

The Town of Massena is also considering a provider (may be an alternative provider) with nine-passenger planes that has offered to fly two direct routes, with the Town needing to choose two choices from among the list of Albany, Boston, Buffalo or Baltimore.

The Town Council will be holding a public meeting on Nov. 30 at 5:30 p.m. in Room 30 on the second floor of the Massena Town Hall, 60 Main St.. If you would like to submit comments to me about the likelihood you would use the Massena Airport with these destinations, including naming the two direct destinations you would most likely choose to use, I will be collecting wider feedback from Clarkson and sending a summary to the Town Supervisor. Your response to me by November 29 would be appreciated.

Please let me know if you have further questions or comments. Thanks.

Kelly

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Definitely, a direct flight from Massena to NY would save time and solve many trip organizational problems and save money for a lot of us.

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Anju Sethi asethi@clarkson.edu wrote:

I too would use the service for myself and family and it would certainly be useful for people visiting Clarkson.

However, I would definitely want to keep the flight to Albany. I know this is not under consideration, but if this is possible, I would suggest a direct flight from Massena to New York city. This will make life much easier for everyone- students, visitors, families.

Anju Sethi Assistant Professor School of Business Clarkson University Potsdam, NY

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Kelly Chezum kchezum@clarkson.edu wrote:

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Colleagues,

We know many people travel in /out of Potsdam on different modes of transportation and when travelling by air, consider several different options.

The Town of Massena is currently reviewing two proposals by airlines to provide air service from Massena International Airport to regional air service hubs.

The current supplier has three daily roundtrips to Albany with connecting service to Boston on nine-passenger Cessna aircraft. The same carrier also offers flights to Albany with connections to Boston via the Ogdensburg Airport.

The Town of Massena is also considering a provider (may be an alternative provider) with nine-passenger planes that has offered to fly two direct routes, with the Town needing to choose two choices from among the list of Albany, Boston, Buffalo or Baltimore.

The Town Council will be holding a public meeting on Nov. 30 at 5:30 p.m. in Room 30 on the second floor of the Massena Town Hall, 60 Main St.. If you would like to submit comments to me about the likelihood you would use the Massena Airport with these destinations, including naming the two direct destinations you would most likely choose to use, I will be collecting wider feedback from Clarkson and sending a summary to the Town Supervisor. Your response to me by November 29 would be appreciated.

Please let me know if you have further questions or comments. Thanks.

Kelly

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It is also important to look at aspects of the two bids aside from just destination. This is as much about how the service is provided as where it will take you.

Boutique Air has the edge on equipment. Their pressurized turboprops mean being able to get above the weather and fewer cancellations due to weather. Not to mention their aircraft are modern and faster. Cape Air is flying a fleet of Cessna aircraft that has been out of production since 1985 making maintenance harder and harder each year.

On the flip side Boutique Air doesn't have the interline agreements Cape Air has. So if you have a tight connection in say Boston, no problem if you are on Cape Air because your checked baggage and ticket are seamless straight through to your next carrier. Boutique air? Not so much. In many airports they fly into what are call Fixed Based Operators (FBO), which are located separate and away from the commercial terminal. Which means when you land you are landing outside the secured area in many or most cases. So that means collecting your bags, you and your bags having to travel to a separate terminal, checking in again for the next leg of your flight and then having to pass through security and proceed to your gate. No chance with a tight connection.

https://www.boutiqueair.com/

https://www.capeair.com/

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On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Alan Rossner arossner@clarkson.edu wrote:

The Albany Boston connection has worked for me.

Al

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On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Mary Margaret Small <mmsmall@clarkson.edu

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I agree with Erik's comments, except I would prefer Boston as a first choice. Then Baltimore. Having said that, I would not want to loose the connection to Albany from Ogdensburg /Massena. I use it several times a year for meetings. It is convenient and inexpensive.

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On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Kelly Chezum kchezum@clarkson.edu wrote:

...

Colleagues,

We know many people travel in /out of Potsdam on different modes of transportation and when travelling by air, consider several different options.

The Town of Massena is currently reviewing two proposals by airlines to provide air service from Massena International Airport to regional air service hubs.

The current supplier has three daily roundtrips to Albany with connecting service to Boston on nine-passenger Cessna aircraft. The same carrier also offers flights to Albany with connections to Boston via the Ogdensburg Airport.

The Town of Massena is also considering a provider (may be an alternative provider) with nine-passenger planes that has offered to fly two direct routes, with the Town needing to choose two choices from among the list of Albany, Boston, Buffalo or Baltimore.

The Town Council will be holding a public meeting on Nov. 30 at 5:30 p.m. in Room 30 on the second floor of the Massena Town Hall, 60 Main St.. If you would like to submit comments to me about the likelihood you would use the Massena Airport with these destinations, including naming the two direct destinations you would most likely choose to use, I will be collecting wider feedback from Clarkson and sending a summary to the Town Supervisor. Your response to me by November 29 would be appreciated.

Please let me know if you have further questions or comments. Thanks.

Kelly

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Hi Kelly, A direct flight to NYC would be a preferred destination. As well as a reliable flight to Albany. I have stopped using Cape Air from Massena to Albany/Boston because too many times it gets cancelled due to weather.

Thank you, Cathy

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Alex Lee amlee@clarkson.edu wrote:

Dear Kelly,

My two cents on this matter; I travel to New York City quite often on business, and I would probably do it more often if it was easier. I second Anju Sethi’s opinion in this regard. Again, I know it is not an option, but it would make bringing in professionals in my field as well as an exchange more convenient.

It is promising that Massena is considering expanding its service. I’m not sure how many of you are/would be involved with Clarkson's proposed Pier 26 building in Manhattan.

Cheers, Alex

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On Nov 21, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Kelly Chezum kchezum@clarkson.edu wrote:

Colleagues,

We know many people travel in /out of Potsdam on different modes of transportation and when travelling by air, consider several different options.

The Town of Massena is currently reviewing two proposals by airlines to provide air service from Massena International Airport to regional air service hubs.

The current supplier has three daily roundtrips to Albany with connecting service to Boston on nine-passenger Cessna aircraft. The same carrier also offers flights to Albany with connections to Boston via the Ogdensburg Airport.

The Town of Massena is also considering a provider (may be an alternative provider) with nine-passenger planes that has offered to fly two direct routes, with the Town needing to choose two choices from among the list of Albany, Boston, Buffalo or Baltimore.

The Town Council will be holding a public meeting on Nov. 30 at 5:30 p.m. in Room 30 on the second floor of the Massena Town Hall, 60 Main St.. If you would like to submit comments to me about the likelihood you would use the Massena Airport with these destinations, including naming the two direct destinations you would most likely choose to use, I will be collecting wider feedback from Clarkson and sending a summary to the Town Supervisor. Your response to me by November 29 would be appreciated.

Please let me know if you have further questions or comments. Thanks.

Kelly

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AA from Watertown use to go to ORD, and now goes to Philly. Both were and are very expensive. Adding Chicago to the mix (except in Winter) swings my vote to Chicago and Boston, with Baltimore being a close 3rd. Don’t forget, if we want to go to ALB and/or on to Boston, we can go via Ogdensburg. Or go to SLK for a direct flight to Boston Logan.

So I think the choice comes down to a regional one. It would be nice if we could get our legislators to begin to think that way. We don’t need all three airports flying to the same place. Note that it is 25 mi to the Massena airport, maybe 30 to Ogdensburg, and 50 to Saranac Lake. As opposed to 85 to Ottawa (my main egress, great roads), 150 to SYR (impossible in winter), 120 to BVT (with a ferry ride), and 95-100 to YUL in Montreal (heavy traffic, but mainly interstate-grade highways). I have used them all!

-Charlie R.

On Nov 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Stephen Farina sfarina@clarkson.edu wrote:

According to an article in today's North Country This Week, the list of potential destinations is Boston, Albany, Buffalo, Baltimore, or Chicago.

My two-cents worth: Chicago opens up improved connections across the country. The article is not clear on exactly how many providers (two involved) or how many destinations can be chosen. If I had to choose only one, I'd go with Chicago. I know it's not the way to Europe and points east but it can get us just about everywhere else. If they can arrange for two destinations, then Chicago and either Boston or Baltimore would offer us the most options. (And as nice as direct flights to JFK would be, that's not on the table.)

Steve Farina

Kelly-

As many people may know, I am a pilot and I have been trying to bring aviation to Clarkson for transportation, education and as a student activity however I have been thwarted by the highly risk-averse nature of our institution. I support any aviation growth in the region and services such as this should keep most of the risk external to Clarkson.

The only question I would ask when addressing proposals like these is: why not Potsdam? I’m sure the Massena town council doesn’t want to hear that because they want the business, but our own airport could support the type of operation that you are describing and already has an operating charter operation. Just keep in mind that Potsdam has a great underutilized airport that I should also point out Clarkson owns about half of (the other half was given to the village to construct the airport believe).

Thanks for reaching out for everyone’s feedback.

-Dan

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On Nov 29, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Kelly Chezum kchezum@clarkson.edu wrote:

All, We had more than 50 people respond directly to me and/or to the list serve on the topic of the Massena Airport Service – thank you for contributing to the community’s dialogue. I will be sharing the following with the Massena Town Supervisor for their public meeting tomorrow evening. If you have any questions, please send me a note to kchezum@clarkson.edu mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu. Thanks. Kelly

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In terms of cities to be serviced, the tallies below represent the top choices with some people just listing one city and others two. I understand the newspaper did indicate that Chicago was under consideration, but in following up with the Supervisor, the four he asked for feedback on are currently in contention. I did leave these other options as “write-in” candidates as noted.
Albany – 15 Baltimore – 24 Boston -25 Buffalo – 6 Other “write-in” Cities: NYC – 11 Chicago – 8 Toronto – 1 Ottawa - 1 Summary of Themes in the Comments: · With Clarkson operations active in the Capital Region, the current Cape Air flights to Albany, NY from both Massena and Ogdensburg are used relatively frequently. There was sentiment and hope that at least one of the two regional airports would continue or expand that service. The same could be said for Boston, which people now drive to Saranac Lake to catch the Cape Air flight there.
· The people who fly Cape Air have been appreciative of the company’s level of customer service and commitment to the North Country. · The appeal of a pressurized cabins/ more weather resilient planes and flights from Boutique Air was acknowledged in the feedback. There are concerns however about passenger’s needing connecting flights and the reciprocity agreements that the airline has in place to move bags quickly and for getting flights changed when there are delays on those connections.
· Access to connections were a driver for people selecting Boston and Baltimore, so that they have the potential for just 2 legs on a journey and not the three that most currently have when connecting Massena to Albany.
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Office: 315.268.4483 | | chezumk@clarkson.edu mailto:chezumk@clarkson.edu From: Kelly Chezum [mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:56 AM To: 'general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu mailto:general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu' <general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu mailto:general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu> Subject: Massena Airport Service - Considering Destinations to Albany, Boston, Buffalo and Baltimore Colleagues, We know many people travel in /out of Potsdam on different modes of transportation and when travelling by air, consider several different options. The Town of Massena is currently reviewing two proposals by airlines to provide air service from Massena International Airport to regional air service hubs. The current supplier has three daily roundtrips to Albany with connecting service to Boston on nine-passenger Cessna aircraft. The same carrier also offers flights to Albany with connections to Boston via the Ogdensburg Airport.
The Town of Massena is also considering a provider (may be an alternative provider) with nine-passenger planes that has offered to fly two direct routes, with the Town needing to choose two choices from among the list of Albany, Boston, Buffalo or Baltimore.
The Town Council will be holding a public meeting on Nov. 30 at 5:30 p.m. in Room 30 on the second floor of the Massena Town Hall, 60 Main St.. If you would like to submit comments to me about the likelihood you would use the Massena Airport with these destinations, including naming the two direct destinations you would most likely choose to use, I will be collecting wider feedback from Clarkson and sending a summary to the Town Supervisor. Your response to me by November 29 would be appreciated.
Please let me know if you have further questions or comments. Thanks. Kelly ​ Kelly O. Chezum, MBA ’04, DLP Vice President for External Relations | Clarkson University
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Cetin and Dan, I love the idea of commercial operations flying out of Potsdam.

But we do not have the infrastructure. Not that it couldn’t be built but we do not currently have that infrastructure. While we can have part 135 flights (charter), I do believe we cannot have general part 121 (standard scheduled flights) offered to the general community without the faculties for TSA security and so forth. We do not have those facilities at Potsdam at this time. We do have a good runway of suitable quality for the category of airplanes of the category I believe are considered in this discussion, and also the approaches, but not the building and security. I also fly, but also, I chair the Potsdam airport committee. I know I was there when a person from the NY DOT approached Potsdam several years ago to talk about what it would take to get those facilities. They are surprisingly expensive for what seems like a minor modification to an expensive facility like Potsdam’s airport, PTD, but there are state and federal grants for such things. This is what MSS, OGS, and SLK all did, and OGS did again in their recent extensive expansion. But there are two factors to keep in mind in something like that. One is that it is a multi year process to propose, which first requires that it be in the multi-year plan in the first place, and an airport must have a multi-year plan, and second, it requires some minor fraction (but still substantial) financial commitment from the managing entity which in this case is the village of Potsdam. I would say that from my observation that when it comes to the airport at this time, the village would take some significant convincing to agree to expand their financial commitment, even if I and many of us would personally love to see this happen. I was a strong fan of that when the DOT visited to suggest the idea several years ago.

Meanwhile, even with full support, I doubt the airline will not come here in the short term without those required complete turn key facilities (TSA and terminal etc), that they have at those other airports. SO in the short run, bird in the hand, I would support an expanded service out of MSS and continue to press for facilities to allow some kind of service at PTD in the future.

Erik

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On Nov 30, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Cetin Cetinkaya ccetinka@clarkson.edu wrote:

Hi All,

I'd support Dan's proposal. Potsdam makes better sense, and it seems we have the facilities.

cck

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:59 AM, Daniel Rissacher-Student <rissacdj@clarkson.edu mailto:rissacdj@clarkson.edu> wrote: Kelly-

As many people may know, I am a pilot and I have been trying to bring aviation to Clarkson for transportation, education and as a student activity however I have been thwarted by the highly risk-averse nature of our institution. I support any aviation growth in the region and services such as this should keep most of the risk external to Clarkson.

The only question I would ask when addressing proposals like these is: why not Potsdam? I’m sure the Massena town council doesn’t want to hear that because they want the business, but our own airport could support the type of operation that you are describing and already has an operating charter operation. Just keep in mind that Potsdam has a great underutilized airport that I should also point out Clarkson owns about half of (the other half was given to the village to construct the airport believe).

Thanks for reaching out for everyone’s feedback.

-Dan

Daniel J. Rissacher, Ph.D. Research Assistant Professor, Clarkson University CITeR Affiliate Relations Dept of Elec & Comp Engineering CAMP 246

315-268-8060 tel:315-268-8060 drissach@clarkson.edu mailto:drissach@clarkson.edu

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On Nov 29, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Kelly Chezum <kchezum@clarkson.edu mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu> wrote:

All, We had more than 50 people respond directly to me and/or to the list serve on the topic of the Massena Airport Service – thank you for contributing to the community’s dialogue. I will be sharing the following with the Massena Town Supervisor for their public meeting tomorrow evening. If you have any questions, please send me a note to kchezum@clarkson.edu mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu. Thanks. Kelly

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In terms of cities to be serviced, the tallies below represent the top choices with some people just listing one city and others two. I understand the newspaper did indicate that Chicago was under consideration, but in following up with the Supervisor, the four he asked for feedback on are currently in contention. I did leave these other options as “write-in” candidates as noted.
Albany – 15 Baltimore – 24 Boston -25 Buffalo – 6 Other “write-in” Cities: NYC – 11 Chicago – 8 Toronto – 1 Ottawa - 1 Summary of Themes in the Comments: · With Clarkson operations active in the Capital Region, the current Cape Air flights to Albany, NY from both Massena and Ogdensburg are used relatively frequently. There was sentiment and hope that at least one of the two regional airports would continue or expand that service. The same could be said for Boston, which people now drive to Saranac Lake to catch the Cape Air flight there.
· The people who fly Cape Air have been appreciative of the company’s level of customer service and commitment to the North Country. · The appeal of a pressurized cabins/ more weather resilient planes and flights from Boutique Air was acknowledged in the feedback. There are concerns however about passenger’s needing connecting flights and the reciprocity agreements that the airline has in place to move bags quickly and for getting flights changed when there are delays on those connections.
· Access to connections were a driver for people selecting Boston and Baltimore, so that they have the potential for just 2 legs on a journey and not the three that most currently have when connecting Massena to Albany.
​ Kelly O. Chezum, MBA, DLP Vice President for External Relations | Clarkson University
Office: 315.268.4483 tel:315.268.4483 | | chezumk@clarkson.edu mailto:chezumk@clarkson.edu From: Kelly Chezum [mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:56 AM To: 'general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu mailto:general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu' <general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu mailto:general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu> Subject: Massena Airport Service - Considering Destinations to Albany, Boston, Buffalo and Baltimore Colleagues, We know many people travel in /out of Potsdam on different modes of transportation and when travelling by air, consider several different options. The Town of Massena is currently reviewing two proposals by airlines to provide air service from Massena International Airport to regional air service hubs. The current supplier has three daily roundtrips to Albany with connecting service to Boston on nine-passenger Cessna aircraft. The same carrier also offers flights to Albany with connections to Boston via the Ogdensburg Airport.
The Town of Massena is also considering a provider (may be an alternative provider) with nine-passenger planes that has offered to fly two direct routes, with the Town needing to choose two choices from among the list of Albany, Boston, Buffalo or Baltimore.
The Town Council will be holding a public meeting on Nov. 30 at 5:30 p.m. in Room 30 on the second floor of the Massena Town Hall, 60 Main St.. If you would like to submit comments to me about the likelihood you would use the Massena Airport with these destinations, including naming the two direct destinations you would most likely choose to use, I will be collecting wider feedback from Clarkson and sending a summary to the Town Supervisor. Your response to me by November 29 would be appreciated.
Please let me know if you have further questions or comments. Thanks. Kelly ​ Kelly O. Chezum, MBA ’04, DLP Vice President for External Relations | Clarkson University
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Thanks Patrick.

How many seats are on the Boutique airline airplanes?

In any case, I am reporting hesitancy to increase investment.

Erik M. Bollt, Professor W. Jon Harrington Professor of Mathematics Dept of Mathematics Clarkson University Potsdam, NY 13699-5815

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On Nov 30, 2016, at 3:22 PM, Patrick O'Brien pobrien@clarkson.edu wrote:

Actually Cape Air does operate Part 135, not Part 121. There is an exemption for aircraft with 9 or less seats. It saves the communities some too. You don't have to have manned Crash-Fire-Rescue at the airport and some other things. You would need a passenger terminal which meets TSA size and room requirements. Which would probably be the biggest obstacle to Potsdam, behind getting an EAS exemption that is.

Patrick O'Brien Research Engineer Beacon Institute for Rivers & Estuaries Clarkson University Downtown Snell 102 (315) 261-2318

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Erik Bollt <ebollt@clarkson.edu mailto:ebollt@clarkson.edu> wrote: Cetin and Dan, I love the idea of commercial operations flying out of Potsdam.

But we do not have the infrastructure. Not that it couldn’t be built but we do not currently have that infrastructure. While we can have part 135 flights (charter), I do believe we cannot have general part 121 (standard scheduled flights) offered to the general community without the faculties for TSA security and so forth. We do not have those facilities at Potsdam at this time. We do have a good runway of suitable quality for the category of airplanes of the category I believe are considered in this discussion, and also the approaches, but not the building and security. I also fly, but also, I chair the Potsdam airport committee. I know I was there when a person from the NY DOT approached Potsdam several years ago to talk about what it would take to get those facilities. They are surprisingly expensive for what seems like a minor modification to an expensive facility like Potsdam’s airport, PTD, but there are state and federal grants for such things. This is what MSS, OGS, and SLK all did, and OGS did again in their recent extensive expansion. But there are two factors to keep in mind in something like that. One is that it is a multi year process to propose, which first requires that it be in the multi-year plan in the first place, and an airport must have a multi-year plan, and second, it requires some minor fraction (but still substantial) financial commitment from the managing entity which in this case is the village of Potsdam. I would say that from my observation that when it comes to the airport at this time, the village would take some significant convincing to agree to expand their financial commitment, even if I and many of us would personally love to see this happen. I was a strong fan of that when the DOT visited to suggest the idea several years ago.

Meanwhile, even with full support, I doubt the airline will not come here in the short term without those required complete turn key facilities (TSA and terminal etc), that they have at those other airports. SO in the short run, bird in the hand, I would support an expanded service out of MSS and continue to press for facilities to allow some kind of service at PTD in the future.

Erik

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telephone:315-268-2307 tel:315-268-2307 FAX: 315-268-2371 tel:315-268-2371 email: bolltem@clarkson.edu mailto:bolltem@clarkson.edu web: http://www.clarkson.edu/%7Ebolltem http://www.clarkson.edu/~bolltem

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On Nov 30, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Cetin Cetinkaya <ccetinka@clarkson.edu mailto:ccetinka@clarkson.edu> wrote:

Hi All,

I'd support Dan's proposal. Potsdam makes better sense, and it seems we have the facilities.

cck

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:59 AM, Daniel Rissacher-Student <rissacdj@clarkson.edu mailto:rissacdj@clarkson.edu> wrote: Kelly-

As many people may know, I am a pilot and I have been trying to bring aviation to Clarkson for transportation, education and as a student activity however I have been thwarted by the highly risk-averse nature of our institution. I support any aviation growth in the region and services such as this should keep most of the risk external to Clarkson.

The only question I would ask when addressing proposals like these is: why not Potsdam? I’m sure the Massena town council doesn’t want to hear that because they want the business, but our own airport could support the type of operation that you are describing and already has an operating charter operation. Just keep in mind that Potsdam has a great underutilized airport that I should also point out Clarkson owns about half of (the other half was given to the village to construct the airport believe).

Thanks for reaching out for everyone’s feedback.

-Dan

Daniel J. Rissacher, Ph.D. Research Assistant Professor, Clarkson University CITeR Affiliate Relations Dept of Elec & Comp Engineering CAMP 246

315-268-8060 tel:315-268-8060 drissach@clarkson.edu mailto:drissach@clarkson.edu

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On Nov 29, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Kelly Chezum <kchezum@clarkson.edu mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu> wrote:

All, We had more than 50 people respond directly to me and/or to the list serve on the topic of the Massena Airport Service – thank you for contributing to the community’s dialogue. I will be sharing the following with the Massena Town Supervisor for their public meeting tomorrow evening. If you have any questions, please send me a note to kchezum@clarkson.edu mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu. Thanks. Kelly

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In terms of cities to be serviced, the tallies below represent the top choices with some people just listing one city and others two. I understand the newspaper did indicate that Chicago was under consideration, but in following up with the Supervisor, the four he asked for feedback on are currently in contention. I did leave these other options as “write-in” candidates as noted.
Albany – 15 Baltimore – 24 Boston -25 Buffalo – 6 Other “write-in” Cities: NYC – 11 Chicago – 8 Toronto – 1 Ottawa - 1 Summary of Themes in the Comments: · With Clarkson operations active in the Capital Region, the current Cape Air flights to Albany, NY from both Massena and Ogdensburg are used relatively frequently. There was sentiment and hope that at least one of the two regional airports would continue or expand that service. The same could be said for Boston, which people now drive to Saranac Lake to catch the Cape Air flight there.
· The people who fly Cape Air have been appreciative of the company’s level of customer service and commitment to the North Country. · The appeal of a pressurized cabins/ more weather resilient planes and flights from Boutique Air was acknowledged in the feedback. There are concerns however about passenger’s needing connecting flights and the reciprocity agreements that the airline has in place to move bags quickly and for getting flights changed when there are delays on those connections.
· Access to connections were a driver for people selecting Boston and Baltimore, so that they have the potential for just 2 legs on a journey and not the three that most currently have when connecting Massena to Albany.
​ Kelly O. Chezum, MBA, DLP Vice President for External Relations | Clarkson University
Office: 315.268.4483 tel:315.268.4483 | | chezumk@clarkson.edu mailto:chezumk@clarkson.edu From: Kelly Chezum [mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:56 AM To: 'general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu mailto:general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu' <general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu mailto:general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu> Subject: Massena Airport Service - Considering Destinations to Albany, Boston, Buffalo and Baltimore Colleagues, We know many people travel in /out of Potsdam on different modes of transportation and when travelling by air, consider several different options. The Town of Massena is currently reviewing two proposals by airlines to provide air service from Massena International Airport to regional air service hubs. The current supplier has three daily roundtrips to Albany with connecting service to Boston on nine-passenger Cessna aircraft. The same carrier also offers flights to Albany with connections to Boston via the Ogdensburg Airport.
The Town of Massena is also considering a provider (may be an alternative provider) with nine-passenger planes that has offered to fly two direct routes, with the Town needing to choose two choices from among the list of Albany, Boston, Buffalo or Baltimore.
The Town Council will be holding a public meeting on Nov. 30 at 5:30 p.m. in Room 30 on the second floor of the Massena Town Hall, 60 Main St.. If you would like to submit comments to me about the likelihood you would use the Massena Airport with these destinations, including naming the two direct destinations you would most likely choose to use, I will be collecting wider feedback from Clarkson and sending a summary to the Town Supervisor. Your response to me by November 29 would be appreciated.
Please let me know if you have further questions or comments. Thanks. Kelly ​ Kelly O. Chezum, MBA ’04, DLP Vice President for External Relations | Clarkson University
Box 5500 | 8 Clarkson Avenue | Room 333 Cora & Bayard Clarkson Science Center Potsdam, New York 13699 Office: 315.268.4483 tel:315.268.4483 | Cell 315.345.5454 tel:315.345.5454 | chezumk@clarkson.edu mailto:chezumk@clarkson.edu Meetings By Appointment at Capital Region Campus 80 Nott Terrace | Schenectady, NY 12308 _______________________________________________ General_Discussion mailing list General_Discussion@lists.clarkson.edu mailto:General_Discussion@lists.clarkson.edu http://lists.clarkson.edu/mailman/listinfo/general_discussion http://lists.clarkson.edu/mailman/listinfo/general_discussion To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.clarkson.edu/mailman/ http://lists.clarkson.edu/mailman/, select this list and use the 'unsubscribe or edit options' button at the bottom of the page.

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The Pilatus is a beautiful airplane - so I hear. It is a very modern Swiss built turbine engine pressurized airplane.

For those who are interested in what one looks like, they are what is operated by Air Methods, the medical lift company, that is already operating out of Potsdam for a few years now.

Sadly Patrick, being dropped off at the FBO instead in the airport secured area does dramatically reduce the utility of using the service for connections.

Erik M. Bollt, Professor W. Jon Harrington Professor of Mathematics Dept of Mathematics Clarkson University Potsdam, NY 13699-5815

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On Nov 30, 2016, at 3:41 PM, Patrick O'Brien pobrien@clarkson.edu wrote:

They would be operating a 9 seat Pilatus, so they would operate Part 135 as well. Big difference in service. Cape Air is more like an airline, with interline agreements for ticketing and checked baggage. Boutique is more like a typical 135 carrier. They have newer pressurized aircraft so that is a plus over Cape Air's 40 year old fleet. But in most cases where they fly they drop passengers off outside the secured area, at a Fixed Based Operator for example. So you'd then have to take your bags, check in with your next airline (Most likely in a separate terminal) and proceed through security. So forget any tight connections.

Patrick O'Brien Research Engineer Beacon Institute for Rivers & Estuaries Clarkson University Downtown Snell 102 (315) 261-2318

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Erik Bollt <ebollt@clarkson.edu mailto:ebollt@clarkson.edu> wrote: Thanks Patrick.

How many seats are on the Boutique airline airplanes?

In any case, I am reporting hesitancy to increase investment.

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Erik M. Bollt, Professor W. Jon Harrington Professor of Mathematics Dept of Mathematics Clarkson University Potsdam, NY 13699-5815

telephone:315-268-2307 tel:315-268-2307 FAX: 315-268-2371 tel:315-268-2371 email: bolltem@clarkson.edu mailto:bolltem@clarkson.edu web: http://www.clarkson.edu/%7Ebolltem http://www.clarkson.edu/~bolltem

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On Nov 30, 2016, at 3:22 PM, Patrick O'Brien <pobrien@clarkson.edu mailto:pobrien@clarkson.edu> wrote:

Actually Cape Air does operate Part 135, not Part 121. There is an exemption for aircraft with 9 or less seats. It saves the communities some too. You don't have to have manned Crash-Fire-Rescue at the airport and some other things. You would need a passenger terminal which meets TSA size and room requirements. Which would probably be the biggest obstacle to Potsdam, behind getting an EAS exemption that is.

Patrick O'Brien Research Engineer Beacon Institute for Rivers & Estuaries Clarkson University Downtown Snell 102 (315) 261-2318 tel:%28315%29%20261-2318 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Erik Bollt <ebollt@clarkson.edu mailto:ebollt@clarkson.edu> wrote: Cetin and Dan, I love the idea of commercial operations flying out of Potsdam.

But we do not have the infrastructure. Not that it couldn’t be built but we do not currently have that infrastructure. While we can have part 135 flights (charter), I do believe we cannot have general part 121 (standard scheduled flights) offered to the general community without the faculties for TSA security and so forth. We do not have those facilities at Potsdam at this time. We do have a good runway of suitable quality for the category of airplanes of the category I believe are considered in this discussion, and also the approaches, but not the building and security. I also fly, but also, I chair the Potsdam airport committee. I know I was there when a person from the NY DOT approached Potsdam several years ago to talk about what it would take to get those facilities. They are surprisingly expensive for what seems like a minor modification to an expensive facility like Potsdam’s airport, PTD, but there are state and federal grants for such things. This is what MSS, OGS, and SLK all did, and OGS did again in their recent extensive expansion. But there are two factors to keep in mind in something like that. One is that it is a multi year process to propose, which first requires that it be in the multi-year plan in the first place, and an airport must have a multi-year plan, and second, it requires some minor fraction (but still substantial) financial commitment from the managing entity which in this case is the village of Potsdam. I would say that from my observation that when it comes to the airport at this time, the village would take some significant convincing to agree to expand their financial commitment, even if I and many of us would personally love to see this happen. I was a strong fan of that when the DOT visited to suggest the idea several years ago.

Meanwhile, even with full support, I doubt the airline will not come here in the short term without those required complete turn key facilities (TSA and terminal etc), that they have at those other airports. SO in the short run, bird in the hand, I would support an expanded service out of MSS and continue to press for facilities to allow some kind of service at PTD in the future.

Erik

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telephone:315-268-2307 tel:315-268-2307 FAX: 315-268-2371 tel:315-268-2371 email: bolltem@clarkson.edu mailto:bolltem@clarkson.edu web: http://www.clarkson.edu/%7Ebolltem http://www.clarkson.edu/~bolltem

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On Nov 30, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Cetin Cetinkaya <ccetinka@clarkson.edu mailto:ccetinka@clarkson.edu> wrote:

Hi All,

I'd support Dan's proposal. Potsdam makes better sense, and it seems we have the facilities.

cck

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:59 AM, Daniel Rissacher-Student <rissacdj@clarkson.edu mailto:rissacdj@clarkson.edu> wrote: Kelly-

As many people may know, I am a pilot and I have been trying to bring aviation to Clarkson for transportation, education and as a student activity however I have been thwarted by the highly risk-averse nature of our institution. I support any aviation growth in the region and services such as this should keep most of the risk external to Clarkson.

The only question I would ask when addressing proposals like these is: why not Potsdam? I’m sure the Massena town council doesn’t want to hear that because they want the business, but our own airport could support the type of operation that you are describing and already has an operating charter operation. Just keep in mind that Potsdam has a great underutilized airport that I should also point out Clarkson owns about half of (the other half was given to the village to construct the airport believe).

Thanks for reaching out for everyone’s feedback.

-Dan

Daniel J. Rissacher, Ph.D. Research Assistant Professor, Clarkson University CITeR Affiliate Relations Dept of Elec & Comp Engineering CAMP 246

315-268-8060 tel:315-268-8060 drissach@clarkson.edu mailto:drissach@clarkson.edu

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On Nov 29, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Kelly Chezum <kchezum@clarkson.edu mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu> wrote:

All, We had more than 50 people respond directly to me and/or to the list serve on the topic of the Massena Airport Service – thank you for contributing to the community’s dialogue. I will be sharing the following with the Massena Town Supervisor for their public meeting tomorrow evening. If you have any questions, please send me a note to kchezum@clarkson.edu mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu. Thanks. Kelly

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In terms of cities to be serviced, the tallies below represent the top choices with some people just listing one city and others two. I understand the newspaper did indicate that Chicago was under consideration, but in following up with the Supervisor, the four he asked for feedback on are currently in contention. I did leave these other options as “write-in” candidates as noted.
Albany – 15 Baltimore – 24 Boston -25 Buffalo – 6 Other “write-in” Cities: NYC – 11 Chicago – 8 Toronto – 1 Ottawa - 1 Summary of Themes in the Comments: · With Clarkson operations active in the Capital Region, the current Cape Air flights to Albany, NY from both Massena and Ogdensburg are used relatively frequently. There was sentiment and hope that at least one of the two regional airports would continue or expand that service. The same could be said for Boston, which people now drive to Saranac Lake to catch the Cape Air flight there.
· The people who fly Cape Air have been appreciative of the company’s level of customer service and commitment to the North Country. · The appeal of a pressurized cabins/ more weather resilient planes and flights from Boutique Air was acknowledged in the feedback. There are concerns however about passenger’s needing connecting flights and the reciprocity agreements that the airline has in place to move bags quickly and for getting flights changed when there are delays on those connections.
· Access to connections were a driver for people selecting Boston and Baltimore, so that they have the potential for just 2 legs on a journey and not the three that most currently have when connecting Massena to Albany.
​ Kelly O. Chezum, MBA, DLP Vice President for External Relations | Clarkson University
Office: 315.268.4483 tel:315.268.4483 | | chezumk@clarkson.edu mailto:chezumk@clarkson.edu From: Kelly Chezum [mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:56 AM To: 'general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu mailto:general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu' <general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu mailto:general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu> Subject: Massena Airport Service - Considering Destinations to Albany, Boston, Buffalo and Baltimore Colleagues, We know many people travel in /out of Potsdam on different modes of transportation and when travelling by air, consider several different options. The Town of Massena is currently reviewing two proposals by airlines to provide air service from Massena International Airport to regional air service hubs. The current supplier has three daily roundtrips to Albany with connecting service to Boston on nine-passenger Cessna aircraft. The same carrier also offers flights to Albany with connections to Boston via the Ogdensburg Airport.
The Town of Massena is also considering a provider (may be an alternative provider) with nine-passenger planes that has offered to fly two direct routes, with the Town needing to choose two choices from among the list of Albany, Boston, Buffalo or Baltimore.
The Town Council will be holding a public meeting on Nov. 30 at 5:30 p.m. in Room 30 on the second floor of the Massena Town Hall, 60 Main St.. If you would like to submit comments to me about the likelihood you would use the Massena Airport with these destinations, including naming the two direct destinations you would most likely choose to use, I will be collecting wider feedback from Clarkson and sending a summary to the Town Supervisor. Your response to me by November 29 would be appreciated.
Please let me know if you have further questions or comments. Thanks. Kelly ​ Kelly O. Chezum, MBA ’04, DLP Vice President for External Relations | Clarkson University
Box 5500 | 8 Clarkson Avenue | Room 333 Cora & Bayard Clarkson Science Center Potsdam, New York 13699 Office: 315.268.4483 tel:315.268.4483 | Cell 315.345.5454 tel:315.345.5454 | chezumk@clarkson.edu mailto:chezumk@clarkson.edu Meetings By Appointment at Capital Region Campus 80 Nott Terrace | Schenectady, NY 12308 _______________________________________________ General_Discussion mailing list General_Discussion@lists.clarkson.edu mailto:General_Discussion@lists.clarkson.edu http://lists.clarkson.edu/mailman/listinfo/general_discussion http://lists.clarkson.edu/mailman/listinfo/general_discussion To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.clarkson.edu/mailman/ http://lists.clarkson.edu/mailman/, select this list and use the 'unsubscribe or edit options' button at the bottom of the page.

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I really never understood the utility of OGS AND MSS both going to ALB both with cape air. It seems like it would be more utility if OGS or MSS went to ALB (then on to BOS) then if there was another flight that went to any of the other airports proposed would be more options. Even if it is not as useful for making connections, a flight to say NYC or to BAL would at least get us to those high likely use destinations. And our visitors to us.

If we are picking - separate from connections, white plains, NY - HPN is a superb FBO airport to go to for easy entry into NYC. From HPN it is a short 5 min ride to the train which is a quick ride downtown to the city.

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On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Charles Robinson crobins2@clarkson.edu wrote:

Having heard this latest discussion, I now really favor Cape Air simply because they do operate as an airline. But I would have a request for them - Make the morning and evening flight MSS->ALB->BOS, but make the afternoon flight MSS->BOS->ALB. And maybe even run two loop routes: MSS->ALB->BOS->MSS and MSS->BOS->ALB->MSS. That way we have a quicker connect to evening European flights out of Boston.

Using a FBO will add much time to catching any connecting flight. It would be ok if one only wanted to go to the FBO’s arrival city. Chicago was mentioned. I assume that is Midway and not ORD?

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On Nov 30, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Erik Bollt <ebollt@clarkson.edu mailto:ebollt@clarkson.edu> wrote:

Cetin and Dan, I love the idea of commercial operations flying out of Potsdam.

But we do not have the infrastructure. Not that it couldn’t be built but we do not currently have that infrastructure. While we can have part 135 flights (charter), I do believe we cannot have general part 121 (standard scheduled flights) offered to the general community without the faculties for TSA security and so forth. We do not have those facilities at Potsdam at this time. We do have a good runway of suitable quality for the category of airplanes of the category I believe are considered in this discussion, and also the approaches, but not the building and security. I also fly, but also, I chair the Potsdam airport committee. I know I was there when a person from the NY DOT approached Potsdam several years ago to talk about what it would take to get those facilities. They are surprisingly expensive for what seems like a minor modification to an expensive facility like Potsdam’s airport, PTD, but there are state and federal grants for such things. This is what MSS, OGS, and SLK all did, and OGS did again in their recent extensive expansion. But there are two factors to keep in mind in something like that. One is that it is a multi year process to propose, which first requires that it be in the multi-year plan in the first place, and an airport must have a multi-year plan, and second, it requires some minor fraction (but still substantial) financial commitment from the managing entity which in this case is the village of Potsdam. I would say that from my observation that when it comes to the airport at this time, the village would take some significant convincing to agree to expand their financial commitment, even if I and many of us would personally love to see this happen. I was a strong fan of that when the DOT visited to suggest the idea several years ago.

Meanwhile, even with full support, I doubt the airline will not come here in the short term without those required complete turn key facilities (TSA and terminal etc), that they have at those other airports. SO in the short run, bird in the hand, I would support an expanded service out of MSS and continue to press for facilities to allow some kind of service at PTD in the future.

Erik

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On Nov 30, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Cetin Cetinkaya <ccetinka@clarkson.edu mailto:ccetinka@clarkson.edu> wrote:

Hi All,

I'd support Dan's proposal. Potsdam makes better sense, and it seems we have the facilities.

cck

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:59 AM, Daniel Rissacher-Student <rissacdj@clarkson.edu mailto:rissacdj@clarkson.edu> wrote: Kelly-

As many people may know, I am a pilot and I have been trying to bring aviation to Clarkson for transportation, education and as a student activity however I have been thwarted by the highly risk-averse nature of our institution. I support any aviation growth in the region and services such as this should keep most of the risk external to Clarkson.

The only question I would ask when addressing proposals like these is: why not Potsdam? I’m sure the Massena town council doesn’t want to hear that because they want the business, but our own airport could support the type of operation that you are describing and already has an operating charter operation. Just keep in mind that Potsdam has a great underutilized airport that I should also point out Clarkson owns about half of (the other half was given to the village to construct the airport believe).

Thanks for reaching out for everyone’s feedback.

-Dan

Daniel J. Rissacher, Ph.D. Research Assistant Professor, Clarkson University CITeR Affiliate Relations Dept of Elec & Comp Engineering CAMP 246

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On Nov 29, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Kelly Chezum <kchezum@clarkson.edu mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu> wrote:

All, We had more than 50 people respond directly to me and/or to the list serve on the topic of the Massena Airport Service – thank you for contributing to the community’s dialogue. I will be sharing the following with the Massena Town Supervisor for their public meeting tomorrow evening. If you have any questions, please send me a note to kchezum@clarkson.edu mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu. Thanks. Kelly

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In terms of cities to be serviced, the tallies below represent the top choices with some people just listing one city and others two. I understand the newspaper did indicate that Chicago was under consideration, but in following up with the Supervisor, the four he asked for feedback on are currently in contention. I did leave these other options as “write-in” candidates as noted.
Albany – 15 Baltimore – 24 Boston -25 Buffalo – 6 Other “write-in” Cities: NYC – 11 Chicago – 8 Toronto – 1 Ottawa - 1 Summary of Themes in the Comments: · With Clarkson operations active in the Capital Region, the current Cape Air flights to Albany, NY from both Massena and Ogdensburg are used relatively frequently. There was sentiment and hope that at least one of the two regional airports would continue or expand that service. The same could be said for Boston, which people now drive to Saranac Lake to catch the Cape Air flight there.
· The people who fly Cape Air have been appreciative of the company’s level of customer service and commitment to the North Country. · The appeal of a pressurized cabins/ more weather resilient planes and flights from Boutique Air was acknowledged in the feedback. There are concerns however about passenger’s needing connecting flights and the reciprocity agreements that the airline has in place to move bags quickly and for getting flights changed when there are delays on those connections.
· Access to connections were a driver for people selecting Boston and Baltimore, so that they have the potential for just 2 legs on a journey and not the three that most currently have when connecting Massena to Albany.
​ Kelly O. Chezum, MBA, DLP Vice President for External Relations | Clarkson University
Office: 315.268.4483 tel:315.268.4483 | | chezumk@clarkson.edu mailto:chezumk@clarkson.edu From: Kelly Chezum [mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:56 AM To: 'general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu mailto:general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu' <general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu mailto:general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu> Subject: Massena Airport Service - Considering Destinations to Albany, Boston, Buffalo and Baltimore Colleagues, We know many people travel in /out of Potsdam on different modes of transportation and when travelling by air, consider several different options. The Town of Massena is currently reviewing two proposals by airlines to provide air service from Massena International Airport to regional air service hubs. The current supplier has three daily roundtrips to Albany with connecting service to Boston on nine-passenger Cessna aircraft. The same carrier also offers flights to Albany with connections to Boston via the Ogdensburg Airport.
The Town of Massena is also considering a provider (may be an alternative provider) with nine-passenger planes that has offered to fly two direct routes, with the Town needing to choose two choices from among the list of Albany, Boston, Buffalo or Baltimore.
The Town Council will be holding a public meeting on Nov. 30 at 5:30 p.m. in Room 30 on the second floor of the Massena Town Hall, 60 Main St.. If you would like to submit comments to me about the likelihood you would use the Massena Airport with these destinations, including naming the two direct destinations you would most likely choose to use, I will be collecting wider feedback from Clarkson and sending a summary to the Town Supervisor. Your response to me by November 29 would be appreciated.
Please let me know if you have further questions or comments. Thanks. Kelly ​ Kelly O. Chezum, MBA ’04, DLP Vice President for External Relations | Clarkson University
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